LSAG physicist CERN stated not involved with LHC, was involved

CERN stated for months theoretical physicists, like John Ellis, who was part of the LHC Safety Assessment Group (LSAG), was not involved with Large Hadron Collider's (LHC) experiments prior to their report:

"CERN has mandated a group of particle physicists, also not involved in the LHC experiments, to monitor the latest speculations about LHC collisions." Link (Fixed)

Mandated LHC Safety Assessment Group (LSAG):

John Ellis, Gian Giudice, Michelangelo Mangano and Urs Wiedemann, of CERN, and Igor Tkachev, of the Institute for Nuclear Research in Moscow. Link

The machine was still under construction, so experimental involvement with the LHC was impossible, to include all CERN physicists since it wasn't operational, so CERN wasn't lying... but... John Ellis has given experimental presentations at Workshops, seminars at universities around the world about Large Hadron Colliders as far back as 1987, but that doesn't count, right? RIGHT?

NEW PHYSICS IN HIGH-ENERGY e+ e- AND HADRON HADRON COLLISIONS. John R. Ellis (CERN) . CERN-TH-4888/87, Oct 1987. 28pp. Invited talk given at ICFA Seminar on Future Perspectives in High Energy Physics, Upton, N.Y., Oct 5-10, 1987. Link

You know what bugs me, John Ellis promoting the LHC in a video back in 2006 stating "We don't know exactly what we're going to find, but we know whatever it is it's going to be something new." He must have been joking, because why would CERN ask him to help with a new LHC safety report?
He gave them a good laugh?
http://www.itnsource.com/shotlist/ITN/2006/12/19/T19120645

Ellis was really lucky to be given that honor of evaluating the safety of collisions at the LHC, because it must have sucked being Cern's chief theorist Professor promoting the LHC, since CERN probably denied his involvement for over 20 years like he was some kind of stepchild. Poor guy...

Update, December 3, 2008: The first Link above has been fixed. CERN made some changes to their page recently, Safety at the LHC, so we're linking to an archive version of it through Archive.com's Wayback Machine to show you their statement as stated above.

Funny, the third link down still works, but when you click it, the link (QCD183:I2:1987) on that page to the lecture John Ellis gave which was published in a book shows an error:

"No such subfile: BOOKS * Error attempting to select BOOKS * message = Unable to select BOOKS, error code 162 * Cleaning up and trying again -No such subfile: BOOKS Unable to select BOOKS, error code 162."

Why link to it when it no longer exist on their site?

LHC accidental quench of 100 magnets raises questions

By Walter L. Wagner

The accident of September 19, 2008 poses a number of serious questions. It is unheard of to have 100 consecutive magnets quench, totaling some 1.5 kilometers in length.

If the connector between two magnets lost superconductivity, engaged in ohmic resistance heating, and melted, as suggested in initial reports, it raises several questions regarding how that happened.

It occurred while they were testing that sector by raising the current/field-strength from what it takes to curve a 0.45 TeV beam [injection speed/energy] to a field-strength that would curve a 5 TeV beam [stated goal to engage in collisions at 10 TeV in October, 2008]. Each magnet had reportedly been tested independently before installation, but the whole length of magnets had not been tested, thus the testing requirement for each sector as a whole, before beam injection.

So, the question is, at what field strength did the connector fail? At 1 TeV, 2 TeV, 5 TeV?. And the second question, was this the last of the sectors to be tested, or the first?

In any event, it calls into question the engineering design of the connectors. It will likely be determined that they can/will/do fail with their current design. If so, they will all have to be replaced/retrofitted in all magnets along the full 27 kilometer length. That won't happen this Winter, I'm fairly certain.

Another question pertains to potential damage to the magnets during the quench process. It appears the temperature gauges were damaged - they all stopped reporting save one, which stopped reporting five days after the accident. This implies physical damage to the gauges, and ergo, another design defect that would have to be retrofitted/corrected on all magnets.

And then, it still remains to be determined whether heating from 2K to 100K in a fraction of a second caused any damaged. It's not supposed to happen, according to the design. But then, 100 magnets are not supposed to quench simultaneously either, according to the design. So those magnets will need to be tested to see if they suffered any physical damage. If any of them did, that would imply a design defect that would need to be retrofitted on all magnets.

This accident is far more serious than initially being reported - and this is likely known by those engineers in the know, but possibly not yet being reported to management [Engelen/Aymar].

And, they're also having difficulties with maintaining their cool [pun intended]. Both ends of sector 3-4 are slowly warming. And even sector 2-3 is showing some difficulty. Perhaps they need more Helium, and it's not available?

In any event, they also have to worry about keeping everyone busy during the down-time, creating 'make-work' projects. It would be nice if they started working on the ideas we've proposed to look for the proofs of safety, if they exist. That's all good science too.

http://www.lhcdefense.org

LHC shut down compels CERN to collide mosquitoes

Due to the Large Hadron Collider's shut down for the winter caused by technical difficulties, CERN unvails the SMC, the Small Mosquito Collider, condemned by Stephen Hawking as an insult to science. "This is bullshit," said Hawking. "CERN breaks the LHC, and this is their back up plan? They better pray for a stable black hole, that's all I have to say," Hawking stated angrily, before blowing his chair's speakers.

A tonne of liquid helium leaked into the experiment's 17 mile (27km) long tunnel 19 September, caused by a faulty electrical connection between two of the accelerator's magnets. Once the incident was discovered, CERN physicists scrambled to the surface with nets.

"Coming immediately after the successful start-up of LHC on September 10th, this is undoubtedly a psychological blow," said Robert Aymar, director-general of the European Organization for Nuclear Research (Cern). "But we're sure we'll get desired results from the SMC as soon as we find some mosquitoes, but if not, we'll coordinate with Evolutionary Acceleration Research Institute to use their Giant Animal Smasher, GAS."

Brian Cox, in a statement on BBC radio, reiterated CERN's talking points to defend the SMC. "We've been saying this all along, colliding mosquitoes is equivalent to colliding protons. Why wouldn't we fall back to our original collider? Oops," Brian Cox admits. "I know, I know... Why spend billions of dollars on a particle accelerator when you can get the same results smashing Mosquitoes? Well guess what, the LHC is paid for, so get over it! Anybody who thinks you can make a living from the SMC is a twat!"

To fend off critics before they could slam the SMC, CERN physicists dismissed any idea that smashing mosquitoes would create a super bug that would suck you dry.

Submit CERN LHC news tips, opinions, whistleblower reports

Since the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) will be out of commission for a while due to a technical failure, we at Two Mosquitoes feel for you physicists and technicians at CERN and around the world involved with this experiment, which is why we added our news tips, opinions and whistleblower form on the right side of this page, to help pass the time until the LHC is operational again or permanently shut down. So if you want to spread the gospel of CERN, report a fellow employee or superior, or blow the lid off the LHC, here's your chance!

Looking forward to your submissions!

CERN: Nature mimics the LHC, just LHC differ from nature

We all know about CERN's Large Hadron Collider's safety report, and their line "Nature has already generated on Earth as many collisions as about a million LHC experiments – and the planet still exists," which sounds better if nature mimics the LHC "The Universe as a whole conducts more than 10 million LHC-like experiments per second," and not the other way around since CERN states the LHC collisions differ from nature. Don't believe me? Well continue reading, and give nature props for doing a heck of a job mimicking the LHC! Woo-hoo!

First, like stated above, cosmic rays have performed millions of LHC's on Earth, and we're still here. Amazing, isn't it. To put CERN's statement simply, the universe, nature, mimics protons in the LHC speeding towards each other at close to light speed till they collide. And what about the LHC? Well the LHC can't mimic nature so CERN states on their website "Collisions at the LHC differ from cosmic-ray collisions with astronomical bodies like the Earth," and if you been keeping up with the news, they're 100% right about everything! So, to reiterate what CERN stated above in plain English, the LHC can't mimic nature, but for some strange reason, nature mimics the LHC all the time. Go figure.

So to all you doomsayers, we're all safe when nature mimics the LHC, just not the other way around. Alright!

CERN insider: For some strange reason, we're in a race

By CERN insider

For months we've been told that we were going to take it slow at the Large Hadron Collider. Cross all our t's and dot our i's, just to be sure all was safe. Now there's a rush like if we don't collide by next week, we're going to lose our toy, so screw safety. You wont believe how far away I want to be from this place.

Before coming here, I worshiped CERN, until I grew a brain. But I keep smiling, rubbing elbows with higher, while deep down I'm terrified. Wonder how long I can keep this up.

Hangin' in there,

(How about leaving? Get your ass out of there. Sheesh!)

Hello CERN!

Everybody wave!

BLOG VISITOR (CERN) ANALYSIS Referrer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Safety_of_the_Large_Hadron_Collider Host Name: pcth203.cern.ch IP Address: 137.*.*.* [Censored] Might be an inside friendly :) or a twat. Brian? Country: Switzerland Region: Geneva City: [Censored] ISP: Cern Routed Backbone Returning Visits: 0 Visit Length: 3 hours 58 mins 48 secs VISITOR SYSTEM SPECS Browser: Firefox 3.0 Operating System: Linux Resolution: 0x1024 Javascript: Enabled

And a big welcome to everyone coming from LHC Concerns, and Wikipedia!

Questions to ask Stephen Hawking on CNN

CNN will be relaying questions to cosmologist, theoretical physicist Stephen Hawking in relation to space, which will air on their show "The Spirit of Space" early October. Since everyone states Stephen Hawking is possibly the smartest person on the planet, he shouldn't have any problems answering questions if you ask him these questions below:

* Are Earth particles stationary to cosmic rays, meaning they can't move a centimeter without getting hit by these rays?

* If Hawking radiation doesn't exist, what will happen to black holes?

* How fast does black holes suck in matter?

* If you're wrong about hawking radiation, do you feel comfortable that the most destructive force in the universe will be created in the heart of Europe at the LHC, one per second?

* What happens when black holes collide with each other?

If he doesn't answer any of the questions above, we know where his hearts is, and it isn't space. The Nobel prize in physics!

CERN physicist Brian Cox banned TED video

If he knows what he's doing here, it's a miracle!

Hackers infiltrate LHC systems. So does the Grid exist?

For months CERN has been advertising the Grid as the future successor to the internet to counter a lawsuit from physicist Walter Wagner to stop experiments at the Large Hadron Collider until a proper investigation of it's safety was performed. Everytime news networks mentioned Wagner's lawsuit in the past, they would follow it up with CERN's Grid which suppose to securely share it's data from the Large Hadron Collider's (LHC) collisions worldwide with other physicists. Turns out, this Grid uses the internet which is 10,000 slower to help share it's data, meaning it's not a secure network like they stated for months, to which hackers came close to shutting down one of their detectors, leaving a warning on CERN's website - cmsmon.cern.ch - which is now closed to the public to avoid further embarrassment.

From the Telegraph.co.uk:

Scientists working at Cern, the organisation that runs the vast smasher, were worried about what the hackers could do because they were "one step away" from the computer control system of one of the huge detectors of the machine, a vast magnet that weighs 12,500 tons, measuring around 21 metres in length and 15 metres wide/high. If they had hacked into a second computer network, they could have turned off parts of the vast detector and, said the insider, "it is hard enough to make these things work if no one is messing with it."

From CERN Insider:
"Questions have been raised at CERN as to why it's systems are accessible via the web. Personally I thought all was secure since we've been told scientists around the world would be viewing our data using the Grid. Guess anyone can lay down cables and trick the lower rank into believing there's a secure network."

But hey, CERN still has the cosmic ray line to counter Wagner's black hole warnings. Just one problem, you don't need to be a physicist to know that cosmic rays are hitting stationary Earth particles, but for some strange reason CERN compares that to collisions at the LHC where nothing is stationary.

CERN physicist Brian Cox strikes again!

For a physicist at CERN, Brian Cox sure knows a lot about nothing, and he still has a job?

"At every stage of understanding the universe better, the benefits to civilisation have been immeasurable. None of those big leaps were made with us knowing what was going to happen." - Brian Cox
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You got to love this guy!

Click this text for previous quotes by the boy genius, Brian Cox.

Cern's logo, 666? Learn it's true origin.

By CERN Insider

Ok, you know what, I'm not going to embarrass the people who have confused CERN's logo for the mark of the beast, specially since I'm nervous about this experiment myself. My time is particles, not planning the Earths destruction so I can shout at GOD "I won!" Below you will find out CERN's logos true origin, and the logo that didn't make the cut that would have really got everyone up in arms, which would have been understandable today.

CERN's logo is taken from the design of synchrotron particle accelerators. Originally the design was going to resemble the outline of a schematic of a synchrotron, but the problem with that, CERN's logo would have looked like a black hole. Not good. So what we did with this logo design was remove a couple lines, shorten and angle a line in the opposite direction, off center it all, then add another circle with a line sticking up to help break up the original design. And that's how CERN's logo came to be.

So please, people... your souls are safe... for now. Mua-ha-ha-ha-ha!

(Thanks to CERN insider for article)

NOTE: Synchrotron image above is not the machine CERN's logo is based on, but a similar design. CERN insider asked me to update the first sentence of this article to state how he feels about the LHC experiment.

Hawking Radiation, Higgs Boson, do or bust (implode)

10 September, Red Button Day as CERN calls it... Whoo-hoo! ...the first beams of protons will be injected into the Large Hadron Collider (LHC), and through various sources, either it's going to circulate in one direction to test the 17 mile round particle accelerator for a few weeks, or smash protons together at near light speed either that day or by the end of this week, or in two months.

Anyway, depending on when these collisions take place, the main purpose is to detect the Higgs Boson, what CERN calls the God particle, which Stephen Hawking placed a bet against it being discovered in 2000 once the LHC is operational, that still holds today, but still expects his own theory, Hawking Radiation, will evaporate micro black holes before they could become stable enough to grow, even after losing a bet causing him to admit in 2004 that the Hawking Radiation theory was in error for over 30 years.

Knowing this, CERN still expects the unproven Hawking Radiation theory to still save the day if micro black holes are produced through LHC collisions, not even considering that it could be completely wrong. Now if Stephen Hawking states Higgs Boson wont be created through LHC collisions which some fanatical CERN supporters call idiotically ludicrous to even think, why do they still expect Hawking Radiation to evaporate micro black holes when they now call Hawking an idiot?

Wait till we cross into the next dimension, then you can call him names! Sheesh!

AFP - Hawking bets CERN mega-machine won't find 'God's Particle'
The Guardian - Hawking revises black hole thinking

CERN physicist quotes on the Large Hadron Collider (LHC)

Physicists at CERN know people are concerned about the safety of the world when LHC is launched on Red Button Day, September 10, that it could create stable micro black holes that could grow, Strangelets, and so on. So to help set fears aside, quotes from physicist extraordinaire Dr Brian Cox are provided below.
So relax... we're going to be ok.

"I have no idea what the discoveries at
the LHC will lead to."
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"We know it will discover exciting things. We just don't know what they are yet."
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"We might not have thought of what turns up, but we know we've got to see it."
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"The LHC is certainly, by far, the biggest jump into the unknown."
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"We know it will discover something because we have deliberately built it to journey to uncharted waters."
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Feel better?